LOA & The Money Class Divide

January 11, 2011 | 33 Comments »

A colleague sent this article on why I should be upset about the increasing divide between the rich and the poor.

It’s not an uncommon message perpetuated by traditional thinking, so it felt good to go on record with why we should not feel “cheated, deceived or sickened” about the “stunning inequality” between America’s rich and poor.

Let’s start here …

Do you know someone who always seems to be struggling financially?  Even when they get financial help from others?

Even if you don’t personally know someone like this, you’ve probably heard the stories.

In fact, I know a family like this.  They are skilled at just getting by with very little to spare.  Sometimes things get worse and they have to scramble to keep their head above water.  Things rarely get better, and when they do it doesn’t last long.

Any “found” money that makes its way in to them (which is rare) is quickly used up on a new problem that appears.

When the patriarch of the family died last year, in lieu of flowers the 70 year old widow collected several thousand dollars from friends and family who knew she was in financial straits.  The cash donations were a godsend now that she was living on her sole income and social security.  (Yes, she still has to work at 70.)

I thought having a financial cushion was a nice change from what she was used to.

But before the month was out, all but $500 of it was gone.  Not on hospital bills or other debt – but “taken” by a con artist who saw a widow at risk.

(She’s the last person I would expect to be duped by a scammer, but that’s what happened.)

Which is just one of Universe’s many creative ways of accommodating the “lack” money vibe this family’s been flowing.

Because if you’re not used to extra money you won’t allow it in your world for long (if at all) – no matter how much money the rest of us pour on in an effort to help.

In fact, now that I think of it, even my copy of Money and the Law of Attraction got lost over there!  (Given as one of my efforts to help.)

Their experience of financial struggle has nothing to do with not wanting it or not working hard enough for it.  (They’re the most hard working, conscientious, good hearted people I’ve ever met.)

The reason anyone continues the experience of not having money is simply because like attracts like.

And since we get what we vibrate, our “money inequality” is only going to get bigger as the poor pay attention to their poverty and the rich pay attention to their wealth.

It’s a function of the universal law of attraction, not our politics or economy or stingy rich uncle or whatever else we might blame it on.

And even if that weren’t the case, getting upset about anything doesn’t help change it.  Resistance just makes the “problem” bigger.

This is why Abraham says the best way to to help someone in financial need isn’t to give them money, it’s to see them succeeding.  Because that’s the missing ingredient – the vibrational  alignment to money (or success), not the money itself.

It’s a key distinction.

Does that mean we’re all destined to experience more of what we already have, whether it’s poverty or wealth?

Only if we don’t change our focus.

If a wealthy person worries incessantly about losing it, their situation will change.  And if a poor person focuses on abundance, theirs will change, too.

The trick is to get conscious and deliberate about where you put your attention, knowing that wherever you point it is what you attract.  (I wrote a book on it.)  If you don’t change what you pay attention to, you’ll get more of what you already have.

Which is what most people do and why our divide between classes is growing.

And I’m not even a Republican.  😉

I am, though, a deliberate creator who knows to put my attention on what I want more of.

Which is why I post articles like this – in support of a more conscious collective attention and a greater understanding of our power.

Here’s to that!  🙂

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33 Responses to “ LOA & The Money Class Divide ”

  1. I’m so with you on this, Jeannette! Personal accountability for our own vibration is so much more powerful ~ and while media feeds the flames of pity, that doesn’t lift anyone up.

    Will you join me in choosing to see everyone those we know as powerful Master Manifestors who can easily create a great life for themselves, however they define it?!? 😉

    Many blessings,
    Nancy

  2. Will TOTALLY join you in that, Nancy! With emphasis on the “however they define it” part!
    🙂

  3. I’ve been on both sides of this vibration, too, Pernille! I think it shows a great success example of how well it works when we DO make the choice to direct our conscious attention purposefully.

    Thanks for chiming in, my friend. 🙂

  4. helen says:

    Yes thank you Jeannette this is something I constantly have to remind myself of …………..boy that poverty isn’t fair type thinking is so ingrained I am sometimes right in the middle of a big why it isn’t fair thing before I go …oh yeah vortex, abundance, allowing …remember all that!!!!
    Reminders like this blog are great I come here I read the posts and boom back in the vortex………..thanks everyone.

  5. I know what you mean, Helen! I laughed when I read your “oh yeah, vortex, abundance, allowing” because I can relate!

    The reminders are good. Thanks for reading and for popping in with your thoughts!
    🙂

  6. Pernille Madsen says:

    I totally agree, Jeannette 🙂

    Been there, done that! and you are so spot on!

    Most I my life I didn’t have enough money, no matter how hard I worked or how financially responsible I was.

    Now I’m vibrationally responsible and that has changed my relationship with money completely.

    It took me almost 3 years of focused attention to make the shift, but today I see more money coming into my experience than ever before 🙂

    It has nothing to do with hard work, society, inequality, etc. It has anything to do with what you give your attention to 🙂

    Thank you for bringing this up and describing it so clearly 🙂

  7. Jim Catano says:

    I believe I may have been the anonymous colleague who forwarded the article that prompted Jeannette’s inspiration for this piece. She already knew, of course, that this issue is where hers and my philosophies diverge.
    Catholicism (the Christian Church, if you will) once held the dubious honor of being the structure that held the world together…and a neat and tidy little world it was. A very few folks at the top holding aristocratic, priestly and merchant class positions controlled almost all the wealth while the masses below them lived in relative poverty. All this could conveniently be explained as “God’s will” and the way He set up the Universe. Of course, God has been a He ever since the arrival of the first male-dominated agricultural civilizations when humanity shifted away from living in small, interdependent, libertarian clans (much like the primitive, foraging tribes that still exist today) to surviving in complex societies ruled by hierarchies where wealth and power eventually stratified in a very thin crust at the top. If anyone tried to rock the boat, the ruling class would just say, “Hey, that’s not the way God set it up.”
    Times changed and we saw noble attempts to reshuffle the deck in ways that more people got more of the cards. In America this trend continued, blossomed in the New Deal and progressed right up to the 1970s when the a scarcity of a critical resource (in our case oil), brought into view the limits of capitalism which only survives in exploitation-and-conquest or capture-new-markets growth modes. Since 1980 (with the coming of St. Ronald the Divine) the trend has been to take away those gains made by the Middle Class and redirect the wealth into the pockets of the elite. This has worked so well that it prompted Warren Buffett (second richest man in American and a good guy) to observe: “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
    So, Jeannette, me and others like me will not lay down and just say, “The Law of Attraction” or “the fruits of the free enterprise system” are in play and those who end up with all the money are those who attracted it or, as the capitalists say, aren’t too lazy to earn it. In all honesty, that sounds all too similar to the BS the Christian Church used to subjugate the masses and keep them happy with just enough to survive with all the “abundance” floating to the top. In fact, exploitation may be the real “Secret” that the ruling classes have been using for centuries to keep themselves at the top of the pile.

  8. Yes, Jim, in my first draft of this post I had shared your name and said this came from a friend who not only sends me great articles to read (linking to the Single Mormon post from the other day) but also who writes great articles (linking to your nudity at the hot springs cover story).

    But then I wasn’t sure I should link to you considering the perspective of my response. 😉

    You may know that when The Secret came out it was marketed in such a way as to suggest that the idea of deliberate creation was purposely kept from the lower classes by those “in power,” but I don’t believe that to be the case. (It was just dramatic storytelling, I think.)

    You and I have exchanged enough thoughts here to know we probably don’t have enough common ground a discussion on this topic, but I very much appreciate that someone (you) represents the opinion of the masses. So at least those who read this post and think it’s crazy know they’re not alone in thinking so.
    😉
    I also appreciate, too, that it isn’t just rich people who believe we attract our financial state. I was thinking that might be suspicious, if that were the case.

    But then one could also argue it’s suspicious that an LOA practitioner would still experience poverty. (Assuming no one would consciously prefer that – which is not a safe assumption.)

    It just gets more interesting to me the more we look at it!

    Thanks for the inspiration to write on this topic today, my friend. And please do keep the great material coming my way – GVU has many links and articles that are attributed to you!

  9. stephen says:

    Hi Jim. Your post makes assumptions that I don’t make. The most obvious is that there is any scarcity in resources. Another is that the world is a finite place and the wealth of one makes that wealth unavailable to any one else. I don’t see the world that way. I just don’t believe in limitations.

    The brief history you presented is a familiar story, but it is just a story (I know you believe it is “factual’ and “true” and you could if asked, recite chapter and verse of where your “facts” came from and other sources of how “true” they are).

    But it’s still just a story. If you tell that story over and over it expands and it’s “truth” becomes more real. What isn’t so obvious to you is if you told another story with as much zeal as you are telling this one, it would also be as true and you would find as many sources that would vouch for its truth. The truth is in the telling. All stories are as true as we believe them to be.

  10. GrroovygURL says:

    Love your vibe!

  11. Zoe Routh says:

    Wow – great to have Jim weigh in on this one. I know it’s a view shared by many, many people. Unfortunately it is very disempowering to tout the victim story and perspective. There are enough stories about how ‘poor’ people triumphed in spite of class divisions and ‘oppression’ to disprove how trapped people are by circumstances, societies. People are trapped by their beliefs, and hence their focus, and the good news that focus and beliefs can be changed – in a heartbeat – allowing new focus, new experiences, new feelings, and new results. I’ve been on both sides of this story, and I tell you, it’s way more freeing to believe that you are in control of your own life, rather than victim of mass ideology and western civilisation.

  12. Jim Catano says:

    Jeannette wrote:
    > I very much appreciate that someone (you) represents the opinion of the masses. So at least those who read this post and think it’s crazy know they’re not alone in thinking so.

    Or perhaps my response will decrease your post’s “craziness quotient”
    and enhance your cred. 🙂 But I don’t think I represent “the masses.”
    A large segment of the population is fatalistic and resigned about
    their lot in life which just means that they share your view but are
    pessimistic about being able to do anything about it.

    > one could also argue it’s suspicious that an LOA practitioner would still experience poverty.

    How about when an LOA practitioner (and ostensibly a “good” or at
    least “famous” one) manifests the opposite of what he or she is
    claiming to attract? Did James Arthur Ray intend on some level to
    kill people? Where those who died in his sweat lodge really there to
    attract their passage into another dimension rather than what they
    thought they’d come there for? If so, the disconnect between what we
    think we’re attracting and what we really are attracting is so
    divergent and inscrutable that maybe it’s not worth expending much
    effort worrying about.

    > please do keep the great material coming my way – GVU has many links and articles that are attributed to you!

    Well, now it’s my turn to attract some wealth. Since I’m handing you
    so much good material, it’s time I got compensated when it gets used.
    🙂

    Stephen wrote:
    > Your post makes assumptions that I don’t make. The most obvious is that there is any scarcity in resources.
    > Another is that the world is a finite place and the wealth of one makes that wealth unavailable to any one else.

    I honestly don’t know how you extreme metaphysical folk (and I
    consider myself a centrist metaphysician) cannot see scarcity. There
    are physical limits to this Universe, but let’s keep this discussion
    to this planet. If we all had the ability to manifest great wealth
    and the physical matter would just appear for us to indulge ourselves
    with it, we all could have homes in Malibu, beach houses in Cancun,
    and a chalet in St. Moritz with a private jet to haul us around
    between them, right? I personally think that’s kind of crazy. The
    physical space on the planet does not even exist for everyone to have
    such a lifestyle. The Cote d’Azzur is only so big, after all. I’ll
    grant you that we might become through the exercise of talents and
    efforts (or through crime) one of the privileged few to have a large
    slice of the pie, but not everyone can.

    > I don’t see the world that way. I just don’t believe in limitations.

    Then how come (as the article I send documented) the oligarchy has
    increased it’s wealth since 1980 but standard of living of the 99% has
    gone down in proportion? It is a zero sum game sometimes, my good
    man.

    > The brief history you presented is a familiar story, but it is just a story (I know you believe it is “factual’ and “true” and you could if asked, recite chapter and verse of where your “facts” came from and other sources of how “true” they are).

    And your “story” is somehow more “true?” I would group your vision in
    the category of religious faith than I see is grounded in actual
    reality of how the majority of people see the world working. Yes,
    each of our “myths” is true to us, but there are universal truths that
    exist independently of us. If someone slips an ounce of botulinum
    into your food at the finest restaurant in the world, you’re still
    going to die even if think you just enjoyed the best meal of your
    life.

    > But it’s still just a story. If you tell that story over and over it expands and it’s “truth” becomes more real.

    And how does that not happen with your story? But here we agree…the
    narratives we tell ourselves really do become the paradigms, lenses
    and filters through which we see reality and we respond to life
    accordingly. You guys just say that we always get what we
    expend/intend/or whatever the right term is. I say we get what we
    intend unless someone else or something intervenes especially if it’s
    an earthquake or a meteor that hits the earth neither of which my
    intentions had anything to do with.

    > What isn’t so obvious to you is if you told another story with as much zeal as you are telling this one, it would also be as true and you would find as many sources that would vouch for its truth.

    Here we agree 100%. It’s just that my current bag of sources is
    shared with a whole lot of people who expend a lot of effort in
    proving their positions through science, rational thought, etc…not
    that those are the only way to discover and verify truth.

    > The truth is in the telling. All stories are as true as we believe them to be.

    Here we agree. I just believe that it’s possible for some other
    person’s “truth” to interfere with my own. A deranged guy with a gun
    can end my “pursuit of truth” in an instant (witness Tucson on Monday)
    or a hedge fund manager can steal my 401k and add the receipts to his
    own bottom line.

    Zoe wrote:
    > I know it’s a view shared by many, many people. Unfortunately it is very disempowering to tout the victim story and perspective.

    I think an even more dis-empowering thing is to think that we’re all
    alone and exclusively responsible for the outcomes of our lives. It’s
    much more empowering to band together with like minded people
    especially in cases where common effort can right injustices, prevent
    theft (white collar more as well as blue), prevent rape (of people and
    the environment), and otherwise work together to make the world a
    better place.

    > There are enough stories about how ‘poor’ people triumphed in spite of class divisions and ‘oppression’ to disprove how trapped people are by circumstances, societies.

    I don’t disagree. But there are even more where people joined
    together to stop oppression rather than just shift themselves to the
    other side of the inequality equation. So become wealthy themselves
    without doing anything to level the scales for others.

    > People are trapped by their beliefs, and hence their focus, and the good news that focus and beliefs can be changed – in a heartbeat – allowing new focus, new experiences, new feelings, and new results.

    Ah, here we agree completely. Nice.

    > I’ve been on both sides of this story, and I tell you, it’s way more freeing to believe that you are in control of your own life, rather than victim of mass ideology and western civilisation.

    Wouldn’t being on one side or the other be dualistic? How about we
    see a spectrum. It becomes much more acceptable and palpable when we
    do.

  13. Katie says:

    Wow! Not the usual read here at the Good Vibe Blog. I’m going to keep practicing the LOA. Works for me. It’s much lighter and happier than the above too.

  14. I know, Katie! I’ve been off on my sleep the past couple nights – it’s affecting my vibe. Obviously. lol

  15. Jim Catano says:

    I’ll sign off then…wouldn’t want to disturb anyone’s sleep. I just get these from time to time via email so I responded since it all keyed off of something I sent to Jeanette.

  16. I appreciate the thorough and thoughtful attention you give it, Jim – especially when this is not nearly as big a deal to you as it is to me (it being my livelihood and all).

    I hope my reply didn’t imply that your earlier response was evidence of my “offness” – the fact that I wrote a post on a topic born from controversy is where it started. Not with your second to last response. 🙂

    My vibe was flagging before you showed up. lol

    But I was talking about you today on a GVU call about how much good stuff I learn from you (never thought about what price to put on that until I read your earlier response – ha) and how much I love that there is no right or wrong or good or bad and that we each get to choose for ourselves how we see the world and how I love that you are willing to be another example of that here in this blog community.

    Big love. REALLY.

  17. Stephen says:

    Such a wonderful conversation! Thank you Jim and everyone else. And thanks to Jeanette, who stirred this hornets’ nest in the first place. A couple of quick points for Jim: I don’t believe we get what we expect or what we want. I believe we get who we are. The universe delivers to us physical experiences that perfectly reflect who we are at that moment.

    My story is no more true than any other. The truth of it is of no consequence to me. I believe what I do because it is fun to believe it. It’s fun to believe that if I want peace in my experience I just need to be peaceful. If I want love I need to be loving. It’s fun to believe that I live in a limitless universe. I’ve tried other beliefs and these are the best feeling ones I have found to date.

    Oh yeah, death doesn’t exist either. A ‘deranged guy with a gun’ cannot end your life because your life cannot end. And that’s fun, too.

    Love y’all.

  18. Wow! I’m not even going to attempt to weigh into this discussion as I am still a LoA newbie in comparison to many. All I will say is I can see exactly why Jim doesn’t “believe” as such in LoA. His writing is oozing disbelief,negativity and scarcity. Perhaps “there’s the rub!”

  19. Jim Catano says:

    I received a very gracious private note from Jeannette and want to acknowledge her willingness to engage in controversial dialogue as some of the rest of you do, too.

    I won’t belabor previously made points, but I do find it curious that whenever I bring up the James Arthur Ray sweat lodge situation to “fundamentalist metaphysicians” (and I label myself a “moderate metaphysician”) that no one wants to even touch it. Kind of strange, huh?

    And Vanessa, maybe you’re right. In my life I’ve gone from being in the upper 5% of income earners to being in the lowest 5% (right now almost nothing), but maybe my attitude will improve if a business I’m starting takes off….or maybe not. 🙂

    As kind of a bookend (at least for me) on this thread, here’s another article about the increasing wealth divide in America and the rest of the world. History shows that when such gaps grow large enough with onerous consequences for masses of people is when revolutions start. I don’t know who “manifests” such events, but they do seem to be the way the world works.
    http://www.alternet.org/story/149531/the_class_war_launched_by_america%27s_wealthiest_is_getting_more_savage?page=1

    Oh, and here’s a homework challenge for anyone willing to accept it. Check out Barbara Ehrenreich’s book “Bright Sided” from the library and give it a read. Test out what it does to your current beliefs about “extreme LOA.” Surprise note: I can read both it and something like “The Biology of Belief” and derive good from both. We “moderate metaphysicians” have way to pull that off. 🙂

  20. Gorgeousophie says:

    What an utter delight! Thank you Jeannette, my MASSIVE girl crush on you forever increases & oh how I love love love the subtle humour, elegant simplicity (the hardest ever to reach in literature I find!), joy & inspiration of your posts. As for Jim, I do not care much if your opinions are not mine, your endless humour, beautiful vernacular & absolute grace not only made me giggle with deliciousness but lead me to believe that you are much more of an LOAer than you’ll ever know – insert wink here but no idea how to do so!…thus bringing me, alongside Jeannette, the lightness of heart in which, I trust, we all intend to indulge over & over, milking it as it were. Stephen, very funny! Thank you all, love it!

  21. Zoe Routh says:

    Sophie – love your response – awesomeness.

    Jim – I love the James Ray story because it’s a good reminder for all of us that we may ‘teach’ LOA to others but the most essential part is walking the talk. None of us can tell what happened there – perhaps errors in judgment as a biggie, negligence perhaps as another with the plastic tarp on the top of a sweat lodge. And the only one who knows what they were vibeing were the people themselves – including James Ray. And who are we to judge whether that experience was ‘good’ or ‘bad’ for anyone – including the people who passed. The incident serves as an opportunity for contrast from our own perspective – I certainly had a few moments of, ‘whoa – I never want that for MY retreats – I always want to be aware enough of what I am teaching and how people are responding in order to keep their safety in front of mind’.

    I am pretty sure James Ray never intended for his students to die in what he obviously believed was a powerful personal growth experience. He is experiencing the most contrast out of all of us.

    The James ray is not a failure of LOA. In fact it’s not a failure at all. It’s only a failure if we fail to learn from it. And for the people who died, we are not privvy to all the good and bad things that have come from their passing in the lives of the people who loved them, and for the people themselves. And really, it’s none of our business.I try to keep my judgments where they are most useful – on me, my life, and the choices I make.

    Hmm. Feeling this post is open to controversy and look forward to responses 🙂 A great way to learn and expand perspective. Thanks guys!

  22. Kim Falconer says:

    Oi! This is awesome. Love the contrast and also the respect everyone is showing for each other. That’s a sure sign of openhearted non-judgment. A treasure to read!

    I guess when the word divide is in the title, we’re going to get some. Thank you everyone for your input! I can only quote TUTS on this topic – Thoughts become things… choose the good ones! ®

    🙂

  23. Jim Catano says:

    I’m confused. I posted this on a thread on Facebook, too. Do we the same conversation going on in two places?
    ————
    Thanks, Jeannette, I appreciate your response concerning James Arthur Ray. I think I need to clarify a couple of points. You paraphrased my question as:
    > “If James Ray is such an LOA expert, and if LOA really works, how could the Sedona tragedy happen?”

    While that is a big part of what I’m getting at, there are other serious concerns. I’ll list them here in no particular order:

    –Why is there no “quality control” in the LOA community. I recognize that a doctrinaire approach would be antithetical to the movement and its underlying philosophy and that strict conformity to a set of hard and fast beliefs coming from a hierarchy is not going to happen, but why don’t LOA practitioners speak up (politely, even) when you see someone masquerading as an LOA expert who you believe has clearly missed the point or is exploiting LOA for commercial gain?

    Instead, the LOA community completely embraced Ray prior to the sweat lodge incident, and he was among your highest profile media spokesmen. Now, of course, he’s getting thrown under the bus as a poseur and a charlatan, but the fact that you LOAers didn’t do something about him beforehand means at least one wheel of that bus has run over you. Your credibility suffers along with his is such situations. It’s guilt by association and, in this case, it’s justified because it’s seen as the same kind of mutual back-scratching one sees in corrupt old-boy networks.

    –I find one of the underlying premise of LOA metaphysics to be highly “uncomfortable” (for lack of a better word.) If someone like Ray is manifesting or “being” something that yield a result like people dying in a sweat lodge, it also means that all the others involved had to be manifesting death (or injury or disappointment for those who didn’t die) at the exact same time and place. For such “coincidences” to play out, one must posit that a type of determinism or fatalism is in play that makes Calvinist predestination look mild by comparison.

    Think about it–the Universe must bring together a perfect concert of people affecting each other in just the way they need to be affected with no exceptions. So, Tucson? No tragedy there. Everyone got what was right for them. 9/11? A perfect combination of cosmic events. The Holocaust? Ditto.

    –Can you see that in order to go there one must suspend a whole trainload of opinions and beliefs about what life is about and what makes it good and bad. Pain, suffering, starvation, brutality, inhumanity, murder and genocide become mere “experiences we can learn from.” It’s a jump in perception and logic that requires a religious faith that requires that we even suspend belief in principles like “cause and effect.” Since we’re all locked into a cosmic drama with fixed parts everything just “is.”

    –And such a scenario cancels out the idea of “free will” as anything more than an illusion. Mind you, I’m not saying that LOA is bad or isn’t real. I’m just saying it has limits and to pretend it doesn’t is setting oneself up for some real disappointment and a crisis of faith when reality smacks up hard against belief.

    –It also seems to me than an LOA religion can be exploited by powerful ruling classes to maintain the status quo in oppressive societies. Such a mind set can easily view the suffering of others as just part of life and perpetuate the unequal social institutions like caste systems, slavery and a host of other Socially Darwinistic injustices that we have historically have taken pride in overcoming as society evolves.

    –I’m curious, has anyone on this list read Barbara Ehrenreich’s book “Bright Sided?” Is anyone planning to? Does such a challenging counterpoint affect your idea that LOA is always in play of every situation. Like I’ve said before, I believe it works too but only as far as my power to affect my own environment and circumstances extends. Someone else using their LOA in a way that might impinge on my welfare is capable of doing so to my detriment especially if he has a bigger financial, physical, political or military stick than I do or my group or nation does. That’s what sparks my activism to join with others to fight such injustices.

    Zoe wrote:

    > None of us can tell what happened there – perhaps errors in judgment as a biggie, negligence perhaps as another with the plastic tarp on the top of a sweat lodge. And the only one who knows what they were vibeing were the people themselves – including James Ray.

    Really? He knew? Then he’s a charlatan indeed–a criminal guilty of first degree murder. And do you really believe that when bad stuff happens that you always know its going to happen and that you were “vibeing” it?

    > And who are we to judge whether that experience was ‘good’ or ‘bad’ for anyone – including the people who passed.

    I’ve heard that argument before and my response is, “If that’s true we should just accept EVERYTHING that comes our way in life and not expend any effort at all to change or improve a thing. We’re going to get exactly what we need/want/are/etc and we should just sit back and go along for the ride with a minimal amount of effort. Anything we undertake to change that is a perfect waste of time.”

    > The incident serves as an opportunity for contrast from our own perspective – I certainly had a few moments of, ‘whoa – I never want that for MY retreats – I always want to be aware enough of what I am teaching and how people are responding in order to keep their safety in front of mind’.

    Here you and I are in full agreement. But the flip side (from a strict LOA perspective) should really be that Ray did nothing wrong whatsoever.

    > James Ray is not a failure of LOA. In fact it’s not a failure at all. It’s only a failure if we fail to learn from it.

    I’ll agree that we should learn from it, but how to you think he is feeling even if he re-discovered his LOA bona fides. Will he say in his trial, “I did not fail. Those people needed that outcome as did I.” Stay tuned.

    > And for the people who died, we are not privy to all the good and bad things that have come from their passing in the lives of the people who loved them, and for the people themselves.

    Good really can grow from tragedy, but is that the only way to get it? Is there no good in avoiding tragedy?

    > I try to keep my judgments where they are most useful – on me, my life, and the choices I make.

    Good for you!

    > Abraham had this to say on the topic of James Ray and the sweat lodge deaths:

    “Here is a teacher who was part of The Secret movie who understands law of attraction not even in the slightest…”

    Can you produce any quotes where he/she said that before the tragedy? Now THAT would be impressive. Jim

  24. Zoe Routh says:

    Dear Jim

    You seem pretty convinced of your perspective and I admire your gumption and desire to express it so fully.

    I personally am not interested in an LOA police or quality control – everyone has something to offer – including James Ray – who I know had profound impact on many people in a positive way. I do not believe he was a charletan – I believe he was misguided by his enthusiasm and always had the best intentions at heart. Bad things happen to good people. I won’t repeat my comments said earlier regarding his judgment etc.

    Besides ‘quality control’ means you are hunting for mistakes, hunting for transgressions, or something like that – and I really don’t want my awareness taken in that direction – what you focus on expands.

    In fact this conversation is feeling a little heavy for me now, so I’ll sign off and wish you all much happiness, joy, and lightness in your thoughts and thinking.

    Much love,

    Zoe

  25. Leslie Richter says:

    Life gets interesting with that hard edge of contrast and it seems this is where great potential for growth comes into play. As Kahl Gibran’s in the Prophet says – we talk when we cease to be at peace with ourselves – in other words when contrast comes up.

    Nothing seems to bring up victim heartbreak more than money. And we are all like Jim in our search for compassion and understanding. How do we walk amongst those who are suffering? How do we deal with our own suffering?

    In my strongest moments I know and see the bright spirits we all are. And that perception that we come into this world naked and leave in this world naked is perhaps foolish because life is so much the iceberg, just how much is underneath the water. How much agenda and growth did we sign up for? What country’s mindset are we going to land ourselves in, and what family heritage are we
    going to entwine ourselves into? Just how much muck are we going to have to wash off to recognize our brightness.

    Recently my most profound awareness is to realize that you give much more when you think more empowered thoughts for others. For years and years my husband and I have given rent money and hysterical bill money to my 25 year old son. Breaks my heart, it’s been a financial hardship for us and it has not changed my sons way of life one bit. Last year I realized my talented son suffers from ADD and we have helped him get a diagnosis
    and looked for support for him and we have backed off giving him money.

    When I look at how I am feeling and thinking when I pay my son’s bills – I realize I am thinking he can’t. Fear for the ones you love – now that’s a hard one to let go of. And what a bitch of a mindset to pass on.

    In the news recently they have been sharing people’s experiences of going down to Haiti to help out. And what most people come away with is an admiration for the spirit of the people. They have harsh physical realities and show the contrast of bright lights in their eyes. Man I love that.

  26. John says:

    Hey,

    thank you so much Jim for jumping in with all you share.

    You are such a wonderful symbol of what I once also was holding in my mind.

    To never forget about those who have less and think about more balance and just ways to redistribute that which seems so unevenly and even obscenely disproportionately looks to leave out so many was considered virtous and a trait of taking responsibility and positively caring by my family and throughout much of my education.

    But, we live in a Universe of Infinite Infinities and we each one of us is such an Infinity with the creative potential to draw from the unlimited. Thus, there is no such thing as a lack of resources or a limited cake of stuff where everybody has to compete for his fair share and if one takes more than that, someone else suffers.

    Of course, all other ways to look at the world are equally valid.

    The basic thing about loa is that life tends to prove our expectations about it right – thus the only question is: do we choose to react to what is and this reinforce what we perceive as unjust and unwanted or do we create another, more expanded version by envisioning it?

    Now matter which direction you go, you will get there and it will prove you right.

  27. I think Stephen’s post was really spot on.

    It reminds us of the power of narrative. There are many stories we can choose to give energy to. Most beliefs we’ve come to accept throughout our lives are nothing more than an accumulation of other people’s narratives. The moment we begin to choose the stories we focus on with a goal in mind, they begin to work for us in amazing ways.

    I think the original post was intended to remind us of the benefit anyone can enjoy by choosing abundant beliefs and vibes with regard to money.

    And yes… it works.

    Money is a physical representation of inner abundance. Those who believe there’s an unfair distribution of abundance tend to see it as that… something that is being distributed by someone or something. When we discover that money flows toward or away from our feelings and beliefs about it, it becomes clear that anyone can choose abundance.

    Our subconsious mind stores our beliefs about ourselves and the world, and we view life through its lens. When we choose our conscious narratives wisely, and learn the simple steps to move them into our subconsious mind, our vibe shifts and magic happens.

  28. Enoch says:

    Jim, I think there is something to the LOA, but I am on the same ‘moderate’ wavelength as you are. I think concepts become psychologically and emotionally dangerous when taken to extremes. One one side, the people are throwing their hands up in the air and saying that there is no hope for the future, that there is no meaning to live, that everything is pointless. On the other side, the people are claiming that each human being has direct and complete control of their lives, and anything good or bad that happens to them is in direct accordance to their vibrational state, thought patterns and emotions. I feel that both extremes are disempowering in their own respective spheres.

    I actually believe in the power of mantras (dhikr in Arabic), prayers, the study of Kabbalistic concepts – and that these can aid a person in receiving what they want, or more importantly, what they want to become in this life and the next. I have had first hand experience of a metaphysical reality, so I don’t deny that this exists at all. But I also leave room for the element of chance. I don’t know about you, but the idea that I am completely alone without help of any kind, is absolutely terrifying. I understand that this way of thinking coincides well with the ‘free market’ economists because they are physical/metaphysical mirrors of the same mentality. But I also believe in a “safety net” approach for those who fall on hard times, and I don’t think that is “hurting” them.

  29. Lisa says:

    Focusing on the original post, I think it’s very difficult to have a discussion about a “class divide” without members of all classes present. Usually — especially on the internet where costly tools are required to pariticapate — that usually doesn’t happen. And when poor people aren’t present when discussions about how they live their lives happen, they are very often misrepresented.

    I also find that whenever Abraham discusses the poor they are quite slanted and rarely acknowledge the lack and scarcity mentalities of many wealthy people that contribute to a system that promotes such thinking and, in Abraham’s own words, trains people away from their knowledge of their abundance. It’s discussed, but very minimally.

    I also I disagree with Abraham about not giving money. One can give money and envision success for the person or group. One can give money and teach stratgegies for maintaining wealth. One can give money to make sure others have what’s needed to at least survive until they learn how to attract and allow what they truly desire for their own well-being. For me, it’s not helpful for giving to be seen in such black and white terms. What I like most about being wealthy is having the freedom to contribute in as many ways possible without ever fearing running out, and therefore being closed off from giving and receiving from the world.

    All that said, I am in completely agreement with being able to vibrate a “wealth frequency” and the power it has to draw wealth into one’s life. And I think it’s essential for EVERYONE to see themselves as capabale of gathering all the wealth they need from the Universe (that includes some of the very wealthy whose scarcity thinking leads them to believe that the only way they can be rich is off the sweat and labor of others). I personally am envisoning the day when we all believe we are entitled to wealth and well-being.

  30. Sophie Maven says:

    I have been observing that the “helper” pays through their nose. They pay not only what they had chosen to pay, but they really pay with lowering their vibration. I am almost sure that there is some rule or low that covers that, though I don’t know what it’s called, but my observation proves it, time and time again.

    Misery, victimhood, moochers, looters have a way of getting to you and rob you of your mojo, your pride, your energy, and your vibration.

    One of the commenters said, I think quoting from Abraham, that turning losers into success is the solution… hm. I wonder if it is going to cost you…

  31. Sophie Maven says:

    I am 63 years old, and until very recently I bought into the ‘giving till it hurts’ teaching, and I was spending more energy filling the “vessels” of other people than producing anything of value myself. I gave money, stuff, and my time. I am a double masters’ degreed person… All it bought me is wretchedness, hatred, enemies, and made absolutely no difference for them, and made me poor, sick, and depressed.

    Only when I changed my philosophy to that of self-respect and selfishness, interactions as trade of value, instead of one-sided, that I started to be well, started to be healthy, started to be productive, and there is no doubt on my mind, prosperity in the making.

  32. Jim Catano says:

    I have a suggestion for you proponents of what’s assuredly a “neo-Abrahamic” religion (sarcastic pun intended.) I think you’d have much better luck targeting Goldman Sachs and other Wall St. and corporate types rather than the touchy-feely, New-Agey folk to whom you normally market. Your doctrine is fully congruent with capitalist moral values.

    Oh, and Sophie, please watch this 3-minute video and explain to me in detail (cuz I’m so freaking dense) how this guy is robbed or drained of his energy, mojo and vibration.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-J5p9Zzc-4

    Maybe the solution to your dilemma is to help smarter not less.

  33. Lisa says:

    I hope this discussion isn’t over. Today, while looking up something completely unrelated to this post, I ran into a posting on blog by Lauren Kennedy that addressed this topic in a little more depth. I found myself in agreement with a lot of it and in appreciation that it addressed what–in my opinion–confounds so many. Here is a excerpt:

    There was a point in my life that I needed a few hand outs to get back on my feet. I also needed some free services and therapy. And my predicament was mostly due to my own misguided perceptions and poor choices. That’s hardly a situation that would elicit compassion from most individuals. But fortunately, there were some high minded people who helped me just the same. And had I not received this help, support and guidance, I would be in wretched circumstance or perhaps dead. But gratefully there were some aware people who noticed my plight. They also did not shun charitable organizations. Their concern for my struggle enabled me to change my life.

    However, in my dire circumstances, homeless, hopeless and ill, simply telling me to think positive and believe in abundance, would have been meaningless to me, if not laughable. And under those conditions, I would not have had the opportunity to ever have heard about the Law of Attraction. My circumstances today, and the benefits that I can provide for others, are due to the people who believed that I and others like me were there concern. Their assistance enabled me to meet my physical needs. Only then did I have the luxury to discover, appreciate, understand and apply the Law of Attraction.

    http://laurenpkennedy.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/the-law-of-attraction-the-root-of-new-evil/

    I think she hit the nail on the head with the last couple of sentences here. The rest of the posting is says more about her understanding of the law of attraction from “the other side” of the divide.

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